The Peugeot 405 and 164 were Pininfarina cars, the 605 was a larger version of the 405 designed in-house by Peugoet after the 405 and 164 went on sale. Regards David. Ex. 1994 164 TS Current 1998 166 Super -- to be removed from alfa, see /bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected]