big HP????

[mark kibort <mkibort@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jim,
If you are getting 10 hp to the rear wheels on a 200 hp M3, then the e-RA=
M
is =

not to far off at 9 hp.  (I know you hate that thing, but it probably is
alot more
effective as any forced air induction system for obvious reasons).

Im still waiting for 2 of my friends with M3s (e30 and e36s) to go to the=

dyno and =

do a test .  =


Everyone at the last bmw/porshce race  (all the M3s ) had your chip on
their car and seem to run very strong.
15 M3s and 3 porsches at thunderhill.    Some had done everything, except=

the alpha
N system and were getting 220hp to the ground out of the 4 banger motor. =

Not bad.
especially if they were gutted to 2400 lbs, they RIPPED!!!!   =


take care

mark kibort
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Message text written by INTERNET:bmw@domain.elided
>From: Land Shark <lndshrk@domain.elided>
Subject: How to get big HP...

Rob asks:

>    Well guys it's the winter and my mind is starting to wander off to
>different project possibilities.    Here is my question of the day:
>How much power can you get out of the 3.0L E36 M3 engine without
>- -Forced induction,NOS or crazy $10K+ internal work ?

 Somewhere around 270-275...

 WITH internal work.. around 300.. (cams/solid lifters)

> I'm thinking of the following:  Jim C chip,Big K&N cone w/sheild,Euro
>headers, no cat-converter, and Supersprint or Stromung cat-back exhaust.=

>My goal is an *honest* 270HP or 230HP at the wheels.   Is this even clos=
e?

 You're missing ONE thing.. a Euro HFM.. =


 To see the stages, I've finally gotten (thanks to Nick G.) scans of the
 original dyno runs on some stages from owners cars in FL.

 Now, remember that each of these WAS ON THAT SPECIFIC CAR, and gains DO =

 vary.. but heres the REAL DEAL.. =


 Most STOCK 95 M3's show between 197 and 203 at the rear wheels...

 A chip is generally good for a good gain of 12-18 bhp at the shaft (10-1=
5
at
 rear wheels)

        http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/dynocharts/95m3/chiponly.jpg

 Once you have done the chip, the next real step is an HFM with properly
 shielded cone filter (we are finishing up OUR (and the original!) cone
filter
 intake system with integral shield/airbox) which resulted in:

        http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/dynocharts/95m3/hfmchip.jpg

 Your choice to remove the cat (while illegal for street use!) is the ONL=
Y
thing
 you can do if you wish to add a set of headers.. we proved this this THI=
S
dyno
 run, where the cats effectively neutralized the addition of a set of
headers!

        http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/dynocharts/95m3/headercat.jpg=


 Yes, you heard it here.. putting cats after a set of headers is a royal
waste of
 time and money.. lose the cats (for TRACK USE ONLY) or forget the header=
!

 FYI: the above dynosheets, were done BY THE OWNERS of the cars, in my
presence at =

 Maximum Performance in Miami FL quite some time ago.  So their
"truthfullness"
 is completely without question!

>How about the Schrick intake manifold?

 Waste of time and money

>What is the best proven combo??

 All in All, there is no "proven combo" for YOUR car.. and the key is
PROVEN!!
 EVERY CAR is different.. I can show you something that 99.x out of 100
will work
 for your car FINE.. but if you are in the less than 1% .. =


 The only PROVEN solution is a custom tuned setup for your very car and
this
 gets expensive.. so what you probably wanted to ask is:

 "What have most people gotten real good results with"

 Answer:

 HFM/Chip/Shielded Cone intake

 Headers/Exhaust

 Jim

 PS: Once you get to that stage, if you track the car a lot, consider =

     larger injectors, as the existing ones are very nearly maxed out!<

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