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Brett: Attached text was saved from an AOL crash.  Hope it gets through.

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<HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D4 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roma=
n" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 12/11/98 17:15:37 Pacific Standard Time,=
 [email protected] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< </FONT><FONT  SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=
 LANG=3D"0">Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:54:26 -0500<BR>
 From: "Brett Anderson" <[email protected]><BR>
 Subject: re : ALLDATA<BR>
 <BR>
 >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:44:21 EST<BR>
 >From: [email protected]<BR>
 >Subject: Re: bmw-digest V9 #674 Alldata<BR>
 >><BR>
 > ALLDATA SUCKS, their information is wrong, or misleading.<BR>
 ><BR>
 >Brett: It occurs to me that Alldata is only parrotting/reporting  what<=
BR>
 any<BR>
 >manufacturer, like BMW, supplies.  I would think you should be upset<BR=
>
 with BMW,<BR>
 >the originator, not Alldata, the messenger.  Or is it that you think<BR=
>
 that they<BR>
 >shouldn't charge for this service?  I could agree with that.  A BMW<BR>
 Owner<BR>
 >should be able to go to their dealer and get this info for free.  I<BR>
 believe<BR>
 >that Alldata exists for those people who don't have that access.<BR>
 >Respectfully...Chas.<BR>
 >'83 633CSi<BR>
 >'85 528e<BR>
 >'88 735i<BR>
 >BMWCCA #44835<BR>
 <BR>
 Chas, the information they receive from BMW is all valid and good info.<=
BR>
 My problem is purely with the way ALLDATA organizes it.  Anything that<B=
R>
 has a subject of ALL, such as training information bulletins, or special=
<BR>
 tool bulletins, ALLDATA goes and lists it under EVERY model and year<BR>
 car, then people look it up and see this recall number, panic and<BR>
 contact me asking for details on it.<BR>
 <BR>
 As to the fact that they charge $10 per bulletin, that is just criminal,=
<BR>
 but has no bearing on my opinion of them.<BR>
 FWIW NHTSA used to do the same thing as ALLDATA with the bulletins.  I<B=
R>
 brought it to Pat Donahue's attention, who passed it on to the relevant<=
BR>
 personnel.  Since then, NHTSA has been cleaning up their listings to<BR>
 prevent the confusion.<BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
 Brett Anderson<BR>
 BMW and ASE master technician<BR>
 http://frontpage.bestweb.net/~bretta<BR>
 <BR>
 Please include all correspondence when replying<BR>
 to avoid confusion - Thank you<BR>
 </FONT><FONT  SIZE=3D4 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Ro=
man" LANG=3D"0"> >><BR>
Yes, Brett, I agree that the organization leaves something to be desired.=
  Their way creates the illusion inflates the </FONT><FONT  SIZE=3D3 PTSI=
ZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Date: Fri, 11 Dec =
1998 18:54:26 -0500<BR>
From: "Brett Anderson" <[email protected]><BR>
Subject: re : ALLDATA<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:44:21 EST<BR>
>From: [email protected]<BR>
>Subject: Re: bmw-digest V9 #674 Alldata<BR>
>><BR>
> ALLDATA SUCKS, their information is wrong, or misleading.<BR>
><BR>
>Brett: It occurs to me that Alldata is only parrotting/reporting  what<B=
R>
any<BR>
>manufacturer, like BMW, supplies.  I would think you should be upset<BR>
with BMW,<BR>
>the originator, not Alldata, the messenger.  Or is it that you think<BR>
that they<BR>
>shouldn't charge for this service?  I could agree with that.  A BMW<BR>
Owner<BR>
>should be able to go to their dealer and get this info for free.  I<BR>
believe<BR>
>that Alldata exists for those people who don't have that access.<BR>
>Respectfully...Chas.<BR>
>'83 633CSi<BR>
>'85 528e<BR>
>'88 735i<BR>
>BMWCCA #44835<BR>
<BR>
Chas, the information they receive from BMW is all valid and good info.<B=
R>
My problem is purely with the way ALLDATA organizes it.  Anything that<BR=
>
has a subject of ALL, such as training information bulletins, or special<=
BR>
tool bulletins, ALLDATA goes and lists it under EVERY model and year<BR>
car, then people look it up and see this recall number, panic and<BR>
contact me asking for details on it.<BR>
<BR>
As to the fact that they charge $10 per bulletin, that is just criminal,<=
BR>
but has no bearing on my opinion of them.<BR>
FWIW NHTSA used to do the same thing as ALLDATA with the bulletins.  I<BR=
>
brought it to Pat Donahue's attention, who passed it on to the relevant<B=
R>
personnel.  Since then, NHTSA has been cleaning up their listings to<BR>
prevent the confusion.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Brett Anderson<BR>
BMW and ASE master technician<BR>
http://frontpage.bestweb.net/~bretta<BR>
<BR>
Please include all correspondence when replying<BR>
to avoid confusion - Thank you<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  SIZE=3D4 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Rom=
an" LANG=3D"0"> Yes, Brett, I agree that the organization is misleading. =
 They create the impression of more information (and value) than exists b=
y inflating each model year with the boilerplate.  A better idea would be=
 to have an "all" category for the boilerplate stuff.  I'm sure that woul=
d reduce the individual model year categories to a manageable size.  My d=
ealer went through the three recall categories with me for all my cars (s=
ee my previous post).  We found one valid item out of a few dozen.  And i=
t was not major.  </HTML>


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