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Re:2002 muffler
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Subject: Re:2002 muffler
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From: [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:03:37 -0600 (CST)
> From: [email protected]
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> If cost is important, as long as you keep the stock Eberspracher front
> resonater, the rear muffler is less important, with even the Midas unit
> working reasonably well.
Personally, I think the reverse is more important. The center resonator
doesn't seem to make as much of a difference as the rear muffler.
Interesting to note that stock-wise, the tii muffler is a different
part number than the 1602/1802/2002/TI muffler. Slightly better flow,
I believe.
A Midas system I have on a '76 wheezes and seems to be quite restrictive.
I was surprised one evening when driving home on the highway, the car
magically seemed to pick up a considerable amount of power. It turned out
that the muffler broke at the connection between it and the resonator...
> From: [email protected] (Erik Frank)
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> So, you're interested in performance, eh? :)
> The general list consensus on aftermarket (bolt-up) ANSA system is:
> No real net gain, louder, and less durable than OEM.
The so-called performance ANSA system (the one with the black wrinkle
finish and dual tips) is definitely louder and less durable than OEM.
No performance gain that I could notice.
The aftermarket _replacement_ ANSA system (painted gray, looks sort
of like the original system) is probably a little quieter than OEM,
although the exhaust note is a bit different than OEM on a tii. (less
of a bass-type note, more high freqs seem to get by) Durability seems
about the same as OEM from the two examples I've seen (neither have failed
yet after about 2 years on one, 1 year on the other).
> Borla makes a nice cylindrical stainless muffler that would fit in there.
> Good flowing muffler, too. Downside is its pricey. Over $200 just for the
> muffler.
JC Whitney sells them for around $100, I believe. I'm looking into getting
one to fabricate a muffler for the Touring.
> A nice option which might be viable is a 2002 Turbo exhaust system (center
> pipe and rear muffler) Its larger, and it flows more. Its also "OEM
> quality" and bolts right up, though you may have to use a different rear
> transmission mount to accomodate the larger pipes. I believe the Turbo
> system used 2 or 2.5" tubes.
Borla or Starla or some company used to make 2002 systems that were just
about as good as OEM. But I don't think they make them any more.
Several years ago, they were dirt cheap through JC Whitney..... (I'm
from Chicago, and buying parts from them is easy -- just go to the
downtown store, plus some of the stuff they have is actually _good_...)
I've also tried a Hor Technologie system. Extremely heavy and large
(the muffler filled the space between the gas tank and tire well
completely), no performance gain that I could notice, and had a
strange sounding "crackle" to the note.
For motors of up to around 150HP, a stock system is about the best there
is, IMHO. The OE Eberspacher being the best, the ANSA replacement not bad.
I don't think there is any gain to be had with the 2002 Turbo system
below 150HP. Above that, there is probably a benefit. Be warned that
the system runs around $700 or so, though.... For track applications
with no noise limit, a short, straight pipe exiting out the side of the
car will probably provide the most power. However, this generates
incredible amounts of noise....
Hope this is helpful,
Ben