>> In any case Alfa used VM turbodiesels in four cylinder 1.9, 2.0. 2.4, and 2.5 sizes and five cylinder 2.5s<< They also used a 3 cylinder version on the Alfa 33. All the best Keith -- to be removed from alfa, see /bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected]